Mick talks with David Madden of MBM. David brings with him 35 years of experience in the construction industry. As a result of founding MBM in 2002, David offers real insight into how the industry has changed. Mick and David discuss the qualities that make a great quantity surveyor, how to create a great culture, the difference between management and leadership. In turning to look back at 2020, David talks about the learnings of the pandemic so far.